(URGENT) Gecko bleeding from inside?

Jason805

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Yuk

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Yeah that's weird. Do you mind posting your op (the text) again? I have no recommendations for you, but maybe someone else would be willing to with enough detail.
 

hmarie186

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It doesn't look like blood to me. It looks like some odd colored diarrhea. Can you clean it off with a cotton ball and some warm water?
 

Elizabeth Freer

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No idea where my post went
Here are pics
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Details about enclosure and lizard here: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/comm.../75474-gecko-not-eating-getting-skinnier.html

First he suddenly stopped eating for 1 month already and today he seemed suddenly less alert and active.
He would poop but he has not eaten nothing, there is water inside tank 24/7.
On his belly it looks like he's pooping blood?
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Really best to make a vet appointment if you wish to save this little guy?

What are the ground temperatures in the enclosure?

Please add 3 hides: warm moist, warm dry, and cool dry.
 

Elizabeth Freer

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Here's my abbreviated Leo Caresheet:

1. ===> URGENT: No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside a vivarium EVER <===

2. Best to buy stuff individually rather than getting a 10 gallon set up kit.

3. Quarantine Recommendations
Any new gecko should be quarantined for a minimum of 90 days prior to introducing her/him to the other geckos in the same cage. That gives adequate time to check for parasites, cryptosporidia, and the beginnings of coccidia plus. 3-6 months of quarantine are recommended if your new gecko is imported or wild caught.

The quarantine area should be in a separate room apart from your established geckos. Stringent sanitation methods MUST be followed!

4. Never keep 2 males together.

5. Best to keep leos alone. Even 2 females can fight. Leopard geckos do not need companions/"friends".

6. Advise NO particulate substrates (sand, calci-sand, cocopeat fiber, bark chips, ground walnut shell, aquarium gravel, et cetera). Risk of impaction simply not worth it. Best: textured ceramic, porcelain, or slate tiles. Paper towels also work. Add paper towel layers to poop spot to facilitate clean up.

7. A temperature gradient from warm to cool is very necessary for maintaining leo health. That is difficult to do within a 10 gallon enclosure. That's why many of us recommend a 30 inch long x 12 inch wide (deep) x 12 inch tall enclosure minimum. That's 76 cm x 31 cm x 31 cm.

8. Use an under tank heat mat (UTH) that is 1/3 the length of the tank and as close to the width as possible. If you have a 20 gallon LONG: 30 x 12 x 12, you will need to size up to the UTH recommended for 30-40 gallon enclosures.

9. Use a digital thermometer's probe to measure air temps and ground temperatures. Temperature guns are excellent for measuring surface temperatures. A stainless steel aquarium-type thermometer that has been verified can also be used.

10. Temperatures for all leos regardless of size:
88-93 F (31-34 C) ground temp at warm end inside the warm dry hide
no greater than 85 F (29.5 C) air temp - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
no greater than 75 F (24.5 C) air temp - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

Leave the UTH on 24/7. Can turn off overhead heating at night unless the ambient room temperatures are particularly cool during the night.

11. The UTH + the overhead heating both belong on the warm end of the tank. Your leo will be more active if you provide an UTH for belly heat/digestion as well as an overhead dome. Your leo will benefit from a "warm zone", not just a "warm spot".

12. To better meet the crepuscular needs of leopard geckos, place a low wattage bulb (15 watt standard incandescent bulb) dimmed to half power inside a 5.5 inch diameter fixture in the center of the screen top and right next to the Ceramic Heat Emitting bulb.

Vary the on-time monthly of both the CHE and the photoperiod bulb according to this Pakistan link. For example, 11 hours ON in February is good.

Click: Sunrise Sunset Daylight Hours of Pakistan -- Timebie

13. UVB lighting is recommended for leopard geckos ONLY IF there is adequate space and opportunities for the leopard gecko to dodge some of the rays like in a 4.5 foot x 2 foot x 2 foot vivarium. A 48 inch long vivarium is a suggested minimum for using UVB for leopard geckos. Never use UVB lighting in addition to a powdered vitamin D3 supplement!

14. Need a thermostat! A thermostat will control your under tank heater, provide your leopard gecko with stable and comfortable temperatures, save $ on electricity, and lessen the chance of a house fire from accidental overheating.

15. 3 hides required per leo: warm DRY, warm MOIST, cool DRY. Keeping one hide warm and moist 24/7 is very important! Both warm hides should sit on top of the UTH. The warmth from your UTH will help generate the required humidity. Leopard geckos use their warm moist hides for hydrating even when not shedding.

16. Too much vitamin D3 is as bad as too little vitamin D3. Any multivitamin (Rep-Cal's Herptivite, Exo Terra's multivitamin) which supplies vitamin A in the form of beta carotene is not recommended because research on chameleons has shown that it is not absorbed. A very, very small amount of preformed vitamin A acetate is necessary for eye and skin health. For a detailed explanation please note mod Hilde's posts #22 and #48 immediately following the Basic Guidelines of my Leopard Gecko Care Sheet.

Lightly dust crickets/dubia with Zoo Med's supplements like this:
1. Monday - Repti-Calcium with D3 according to gecko weight on container label
2. Thursday - Repti-Calcium with D3 according to gecko weight on container label
3. PLAIN (no D3) Reptivite (multivitamin) with A acetate adjusted for your leo's weight: Spread out the lightly dusted Reptivite crickets over the course of a week. Use the Reptivite (multivitamin) very sparingly.

17. Urates should be white, not yellow, and be approximately 1/3 the size of the feces. A healthy feces is dark brown and about the size and shape of 2 tic tacs.

18. Vary the diet: crickets, roaches, grasshoppers, silkworms, hornworms, mealworm pupae, freshly molted mealworms, genuine Phoenix worms, calciworms, and locusts (smallest locusts possible)

19. There are no benefits to feeding waxworms, butterworms, or superworms (pure fat like ice cream). Hornworms and/or silkworms provide excellent variety. They provide nutrition as well as moisture.

20. Click: Care & Breeding of Feeders: crickets, Blaptica dubia, hornworms, & silkworms

21. Click: USDA Foods link Foods List

22. Diet, DIET, D-I-E-T! A huge factor in the husbandry of any gecko is to feed the feeders (crickets, worms, etc) a very healthy diet 24/7. Variety of feeders is important too. Nutritious feeder bodies transfer like nutrients to your geckos. Consider light supplemental dusting of these feeders as just "icing on the cake".

Remember that, like humans, geckos are what they eat.

23. Consider covering three sides of your leopard gecko's enclosure with something like construction paper to provide additional security and privacy.

24. For live links to the products Tony uses go to post #26. Post #36 is a setup checklist.

25. For the whole story click: Leopard Gecko Caresheet (Eublepharis macularius)...demo video & 4 Jan 2013 update
 

acpart

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Please show this to your parents:

I'm a parent of 3 young adults and also happen to be a gecko keeper and breeder. It's hard sometimes when our kids are into something that doesn't particularly interest us. It's hard on the kids when things unexpectedly cost money that they didn't realize they may have to spend. They are dependent on us to bail them out sometimes. Even though the gecko is "just a lizard", it's a pet and a living creature that needs some medical attention. My brother is a vet. He tells me that sometimes animals are brought in that require a huge amount of money to care for medically and the owner decides they can't spend that amount. It's important to get the information from the vet that would allow an informed decision. I hope that you'll be able to help your son get the basic information he needs from the vet about whether this animal can be saved and support him through making the decision about whether he can or will opt for that care. It's a great life lesson for him and an opportunity for you to be a good role model for difficult decisions.

Aliza
 

Jason805

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Please show this to your parents:

I'm a parent of 3 young adults and also happen to be a gecko keeper and breeder. It's hard sometimes when our kids are into something that doesn't particularly interest us. It's hard on the kids when things unexpectedly cost money that they didn't realize they may have to spend. They are dependent on us to bail them out sometimes. Even though the gecko is "just a lizard", it's a pet and a living creature that needs some medical attention. My brother is a vet. He tells me that sometimes animals are brought in that require a huge amount of money to care for medically and the owner decides they can't spend that amount. It's important to get the information from the vet that would allow an informed decision. I hope that you'll be able to help your son get the basic information he needs from the vet about whether this animal can be saved and support him through making the decision about whether he can or will opt for that care. It's a great life lesson for him and an opportunity for you to be a good role model for difficult decisions.

Aliza

She has parasites. There was a watery poop with a tiny worm in it,moving. I have no access to a vet. I think I just want to put her out of her misery. :(
It's also 2:00 AM
 
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Elizabeth Freer

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She has parasites. There was a watery poop with a tiny worm in it,moving. I have no access to a vet. I think I just want to put her out of her misery. :(
It's also 2:00 AM

If it is pinworms you see, they are relatively easy to treat. Could you call a vet and let them know your situation?
 

Conched

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If you cannot take the animal to a vet than you need to see if there are any reptile rescue facilities near you.

What miracle cure were you looking for by posting on an internet forum…. The leo has clearly been neglected for a long time.
 

Yuk

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Dewormer is cheap. You could call any reptile vet anywhere and explain your situation to get a dosage by weight. If they can't give you a dosage without seeing the pet, this is what my book (Understanding Parasites in Reptiles) recommends: Panacur (Fenbendazole)to treat worms at 25-50 mg/kg (0.025mg to 0.050mg x pet's weight in grams) orally (small syringe for mouth) daily for 3-5 days. you could probably find it at your pet store for $3-$8. Please don't kill your pet :( this is easily treatable. And call a vet before you try to dose yourself. Only do it as a last resort if the vet won't talk to you and there aren't rescues that can help.
 
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hmarie186

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If they can't give you a dosage without seeing the pet, this is what my book (Understanding Parasites in Reptiles) recommends: Panacur (Fenbendazole)to treat worms at 25-50 mg/kg (0.025mg to 0.050mg x pet's weight in grams) orally (small syringe for mouth) daily for 3-5 days.

If it's pinworms then treatment daily for 3-5 days is ineffective. It should be a week or two apart. The worm really needs to be identified so a proper treatment plan can be given.

Jason805- if you have no access to a vet then how would you put her out of her misery? If you want her euth'd then spend that money towards a vet visit. Yuk gave you dosage for Panacur and it can be bought OTC. Did you save the worm to ID it? It may be a pinworm, it could be a roundworm or a tapeworm. Look at descriptions online if you can't even afford a fecal. How long has she been losing weight? She is awful skinny. How old is she?

If you really want to get rid of her then Matt had a great suggestion of a reptile rescue around. Or post her on CL with your situation and maybe a kind heart will take her in and get her the care she needs. Good luck.
 

Jason805

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If it's pinworms then treatment daily for 3-5 days is ineffective. It should be a week or two apart. The worm really needs to be identified so a proper treatment plan can be given.

Jason805- Did you save the worm to ID it? It may be a pinworm, it could be a roundworm or a tapeworm. Look at descriptions online if you can't even afford a fecal. How long has she been losing weight? She is awful skinny. How old is she?

The worm might be dead now, it is a pinworm for sure, it looks exactly like this:image.jpg
She has been loosing weight for about 3 weeks, I thought I just needed to give her more variety in her food but yesterday she started pooping watery stuff one had the pinworm in it. And she is almost 10 months old (from petsmart)
 

hmarie186

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She may have something else going on. Did she ever have a fat tail and nice weight? Three weeks seems like a short time to go from healthy to stick thin from parasites.
 

Jason805

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She may have something else going on. Did she ever have a fat tail and nice weight? Three weeks seems like a short time to go from healthy to stick thin from parasites.

She used to be just normal, medium sized tail and not too big. This is the only problem I've had.
Also I can now take her to the vet! :D
 

acpart

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I'm glad a vet visit is going to work out! If you can wrap some of her poop in a plastic bag or some plastic wrap, put it in the fridge and take it to the vet with you s/he may be able to do a test for parasites.

Aliza
 
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