Poop with egg white-ish stuff??? (poop pictures inside)

[Zeruel]

Basic Information
Gecko's name: Troy
Morph: Tremper albino
Gender: female
Age: 4 years
Weight: 70.3g

Enclosure dimensions (length x width x height): about 60*30*30 cm
Substrate provided: paper towel

She has a heat pad which covers about 1/3 of her container, I didn’t measure the temperature with thermometer but it’s warm to the touch in the heat area.

Meals:
Mainly dubia roaches, I also feed them Repashy Grub Pie every now and then.
She eats about twice a week.

I dust the roaches with vitamin+calcium powder once every 2 meals.
Supplement Brand: I used to use Zoo med Reptivite but switched to Komodo Nutri-Cal recently.

I just noticed one of my female gecko, Troy, had pooped some weird stuff.
It looks kind of like half cooked egg white.


Could it be that she's passing undeveloped egg? Or is this a sign of parasites? Abnormal urate?


She's been eating about once or twice a week. Her appetite is not the greatest, but she always reduces her appetite after winter. (Maybe because of ovulating? ) She does this every year since I got her, so I'm not too worried about her appetite.

Here's some pictures of the poop:

(^^This is still kinda wet)

(^^this one is already dried)

(I'm really new to this forum, and English is not my first language, so please pardon me if I've done something wrong. Thanks in advance! :cheer

 

[Geecko123]

I don't really know but she is gorgeous!:biggrin:I hope someone with more experince will answer since I have never had eggs

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

To me it looks like some kind of inflammation. Get the poop sample tested.
And please, can somebody do something about Geeckos shitty posts? It's just a regular spam. [MENTION=3989]Elizabeth Freer[/MENTION]

 

[Hilde]

And please, can somebody do something about Geeckos shitty posts? It's just a regular spam.

Some posts really don't offer useful advice, but they're not spam. Offering an opinion isn't spam.
Just relax, don't get upset, the internet doesn't always go according to one's own plan.
No need to get your blood pressure up about this.
If the posts really are spam, or against the TOS, they will be dealt with, no need for you to worry about it.

 

[Geopard Lecko]

One of my females who was gravid passed some very similar looking stuff an the next day an unfertilized egg came out.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

She has a heat pad which covers about 1/3 of her container, I didn’t measure the temperature with thermometer but it’s warm to the touch in the heat area.

Meals:
Mainly dubia roaches, I also feed them Repashy Grub Pie every now and then.
She eats about twice a week.

I dust the roaches with vitamin+calcium powder once every 2 meals.
Supplement Brand: I used to use Zoo med Reptivite but switched to Komodo Nutri-Cal recently.

A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited!

Is this \/ the Komodo Nutri-Cal multivitamin you switched to? Do you have a link which contains a Guaranteed Analysis of that product? Please post it.

Click: https://www.komodoproducts.com/komodo-nutri-cal.html
​

It's really important to actually measure your enclosure's temps with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun. Please let us know what the measured temps are. Correct temps are the bottom line for all gecko husbandry.

Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):

• Warm end ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) underneath a leo's warm dry hide
• Cool end ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
• no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
• no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).

 

[Zeruel]

To me it looks like some kind of inflammation. Get the poop sample tested.

Inflammation :shock: I'll definitely take her to a vet if she keep having this weird poop, thanks for reminding!

One of my females who was gravid passed some very similar looking stuff an the next day an unfertilized egg came out.

So it could be just something related to ovulating? That's quite relieving to hear.

Is this \/ the Komodo Nutri-Cal multivitamin you switched to? Do you have a link which contains a Guaranteed Analysis of that product? Please post it.
Click: https://www.komodoproducts.com/komodo-nutri-cal.html

Yes, that's the calcium+vitamin powder I'm using right now.
The heat pad is already 7/24 on. I'll find a thermometer and measure the temperature when I get back from work. I'll update the thread by then.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

https://www.komodoproducts.com/komodo-nutri-cal.html

I don't see where this link lists the specific amount of each ingredient. Can you find a different link that does?

 

[Zeruel]

I can't find a list of ingredient online either. It's probably on the label, I'll take a picture of it when I get back home.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I can't find a list of ingredient online either. It's probably on the label, I'll take a picture of it when I get back home.

I hope the label's picture can be enlarged so it is easy to read.

I'm looking for the amount of each ingredient.

 

[Zeruel]

>Temperature:
Warm end (ground): 30.4°C
Warm end (air): 25°C
Cool end (ground&air): 21.5°C

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Ingredients of Komodo nutri-cal:
>>Analytical constituents:
Calcium 20.18%, Phosphorus 0.51%, Sodium 0.05%, Crude ash 65.45%.

>>Composition:
Calcium carbonate, dextrose, rice, dicalcium phosphate.

>>Additives per kg:
Vitamin A 750000IU
Vitamin B1 15mg
Vitamin B2 10mg
Vitamin B6 10mg
Vitamin B12 1mg
Vitamin C 2500mg
Vitamin D3 150000IU
Vitamin E 750 mg
Vitamin K 10 mg
Biotin 10mg
calcium pantothenate 20mg
Folic acid 10mg
Niacin 50mg

>>Trace elements:
Calcium iodate, Anhydrous 3.00mg.
Organic selenium yeast 2173.00mg
Copper sulphate pentahydrate 125.00mg
Iron(II) sulfate hydrate 333.00mg
Zinc Oxide 277mg
Manganous solphate, Monohydrate 125.00mg.

 

[Zeruel]

Troy just had another poop like the one in the pictures, this time it seems even wetter.

I just remembered that I had bought 10 crickets from a local aquarium store and fed them to my geckos about 3 or 4 weeks earlier. Normally I fed them only the dubia roaches I breed myself. This was the only one time I fed store-bought insects to my geckos in about half a year. I think Troy only ate 2 or 3 crickets, the rest went to the other 2 of my geckos.

I did gutload the crickets with some vegetables and Repashy grub pie before feeding them to my geckos.


Could it be that the crickets carried some sort of parasites?
(But the other two geckos show no similar symptoms. )


Also I forgot to mention earlier, that Troy has never laid eggs before. Don't know if this information helps or not.


I'm getting kinda anxious now. I've booked a visit to the vet next Monday.

 

[IHaveNoIdea]

"Could it be that the crickets carried some sort of parasites?
(But the other two geckos shows no similar symptoms. )"

Possible, but very unlikely. You probably didn't have to book a visit to a vet. Like I said, sending a poop sample would be enough (if your vet provides such a service). But it won't hurt Troy (just your wallet).

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

>Temperature:
Warm end (ground): 30.4°C
Warm end (air): 25°C
Cool end (ground&air): 21.5°C

----------

Ingredients of Komodo nutri-cal:
>>Analytical constituents:
Calcium 20.18%, Phosphorus 0.51%, Sodium 0.05%, Crude ash 65.45%.

>>Composition:
Calcium carbonate, dextrose, rice, dicalcium phosphate.

>>Additives per kg:
Vitamin A 750000IU
Vitamin B1 15mg
Vitamin B2 10mg
Vitamin B6 10mg
Vitamin B12 1mg
Vitamin C 2500mg
Vitamin D3 150000IU
Vitamin E 750 mg
Vitamin K 10 mg
Biotin 10mg
calcium pantothenate 20mg
Folic acid 10mg
Niacin 50mg

>>Trace elements:
Calcium iodate, Anhydrous 3.00mg.
Organic selenium yeast 2173.00mg
Copper sulphate pentahydrate 125.00mg
Iron(II) sulfate hydrate 333.00mg
Zinc Oxide 277mg
Manganous solphate, Monohydrate 125.00mg.

Your warm end ground temps could be warmer than 30.4*C. Warm end ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) underneath a leo's warm dry hide

Can you increase those temperatures a little?

I wonder what type of vitamin A is in Komodo Nutri-Cal. Choices are usually vitamin A acetate (retinol) or beta carotene. Sometimes manufacturers use both. Maybe Komodo has online customer service?

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I did gutload the crickets with some vegetables and Repashy grub pie before feeding them to my geckos.

I wonder whether there is some reason Troy could be drinking lots of water.

How did you serve Grub Pie to the insects?

1. Did you mix it with water so it can gel?
2. Or did you feed it to the insects dry?

 

[Zeruel]

"Could it be that the crickets carried some sort of parasites?
(But the other two geckos shows no similar symptoms. )"

Possible, but very unlikely. You probably didn't have to book a visit to a vet. Like I said, sending a poop sample would be enough (if your vet provides such a service). But it won't hurt Troy (just your wallet).

I don't know if they provide such service, I'll make a call and ask them when they're opened.
Any advice how to pack & preserve the stool sample? I've heard that the vet will not be able to detect parasites under microscope if the stool sample is dried.
(But I'll probably still take Troy to them just because it makes me feel better, not having to wait for the delivery and stuffs.:lol

Can you increase those temperatures a little?

Ok I'll adjust the temperature.

I wonder what type of vitamin A is in Komodo Nutri-Cal. Choices are usually vitamin A acetate (retinol) or beta carotene. Sometimes manufacturers use both. Maybe Komodo has online customer service?

I can send them an email and ask them. But the thing is my geckos don't even like this calcium powder that much, I might as well just change to Repashy Calcium Plus if it's better?

How did you serve Grub Pie to the insects?

I made it into gel and cut the gel into cubes. I first serve the cubes to my geckos with a tweezer to see their reaction, if they don't want to eat them, I'll toss the cubes to my insect colonies.

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

You might return to Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins without D3. I like that better than Repashy's Calcium Plus multivitamins, especially because of the calcium carbonate it contains. Maybe we can find out more about your Komodo Nutri-Cal?

Here's my link for collecting fecal samples:

For 2 click: Fecal Sample Collection Procedure​

 

[Zeruel]

[MENTION=3989]Elizabeth Freer[/MENTION]

Thanks a lot for the tips of collecting stool sample, I put a petri dish in her container, and almost immediately received a puddle of goop that looks like scrambled egg soup... :0

As for the Komodo Nutri-Cal supplement, there's a "contact us" feature in their website, perhaps I'll send a message and ask them about their ingredients when I have time?
https://www.komodoproducts.com/contact-us

 

[Elizabeth Freer]

I sent Komodo "contact-us" a message regarding their vitamin A "supplement". Thanks for that link.

I dust the roaches with vitamin+calcium powder once every 2 meals.
Supplement Brand: I used to use Zoo med Reptivite but switched to Komodo Nutri-Cal recently.

Troy is having some problem producing proper eggs. Reptivite (with or without D3) contains a little more plain calcium than Komodo Nutri-Cal does. Have you access to VetArk's Nutrobal multivitamin? Nutrobal is an ideal supplement in most respects.

The proportion of feces & urates to urine (most of that wetness) is off. I see way more urine than is common. Sometimes if a gecko is getting too many multivitamins or other supplements, the gecko gets really thirsty and drinks alot.

1. Has Troy ever laid fertile eggs?
2. Is Troy getting just 2 meals per week?
3. Are you dusting ALL the bugs and worms once every 2 meals (per week)?
4. Are you heavily or lightly dusting those same bugs and worms?
   • Try this first: Dust ALL of the feeders lightly @ 1 of 2 meals per week.
   • If that doesn't work, then try this: How about adding plain calcium like Zoo Med's Repti Calcium without D3 to half the feeders at the second feeding per week?

 

[Sg612]

But I'll probably still take Troy to them just because it makes me feel better,

That would be the right thing to do. A fecal sample provides very limited information. A physical exam by an experienced reptile vet can provide important information by:

Auscultation of heart and lungs. Palpating of the abdomen for masses and constipation. Check eyes, ears, mouth nose, limbs, skin. Radiograph for bone density. Blood work for things like infection, calcium levels, liver function and so on.