Genetic question

[DiabloGecko]

okay im trying to asorb all the genetics and possible outcomes, etc.

Murphys Patternless to Rainwater produces normals with HET for what?
Murphys to High Yellow obviously produces normals

so if i take a baby from one of each and cross em, what would I get?

If I want dark stripes and light background, Ill need to get a het for stripes and breed to either raptor or las vegas right or...? (jeez im tounge tied)

i hope im not being confusing.

If anyone can understand this :coverlaugh:
please reply

 

[Allee Toler]

Murphy x Rainwater= 100% Normals het for Murphy & Rainwater
Murphy x High Yellow= 100% Normals/High Yellows het for Murphy
Crossing them you'd get
25% Murphy Patternless 50% het Rainwater Albino
75% Normal het Murphy 50% het Rainwater Albino

To get a stripe you must have a striped parent.

 

[DiabloGecko]

man!
it seems no matter what i do, i get normals
im soooooo confused

I do know if i breed raptor to raptor i get more raptors and crossing that with the rainwater produces normals

but why does the murphys and rainwater produce normals if the murphys is not one of the three albino strain?

 

[Allee Toler]

Never ever EVER cross a RAPTOR to a Rainwater. They're two different albinos. Albino A x Albino B makes 100% normals het for Both and are essentially useless in breeding.

Murphy Patternless is not an albino. It's a patternless.

Bell
Rainwater
Tremper

Are the three strains of albino. All three should never be crossed and they are not compatible.

 

[Allee Toler]

Oh and if you want something interesting your first season, get a snow. Snow x normal makes 25% snow 75% normal. A super snow x normal makes 100% snows.

 

[DiabloGecko]

I understood when I bought them to not cross Tremper, Rainwater or Bell together. (I have the herpoculter of leopard gecko by ron tremper)

my question though is
WHY does the patternless x rainwater produce normals?

 

[Allee Toler]

Because they're not the same gene! They're both recessive.

 

[DiabloGecko]

I love the snows! Marcia(golden gate gecko) knows this hehe
I also love the stripes

My RAPTOR female has a stripe from the base of her head all the way to the tip of her tail. The male has one but broken on his tail. Its pretty cool. hm i just thought of a bad ass morph to create but man thats gonna be damn difficult if not impossible. red on white.....


My Las Vegas JUST LAID EGGS :biggrin:

\BTW I have an egg thats hi yellow and bell albino.....what could it be

 

[Allee Toler]

So the eggs just laid are Murphy x Rainwater?

High Yellow x Bell = 100% normal/high yellow het bell. And I would keep each gecko well labeled. You don't want to mix up a normal het rainwater with a normal het bell on accident.

 

[DiabloGecko]

yup murphy x rainwater

i have blue tape on top of the container with parents and date laid

I HAD 10 eggs, one left. I was living elsewhere and my roommate kept me locked out and I couldnt keep an eye on the eggs. I was so bummed out
They were murphys x rainwater, murphys x hi yellow, hi yellow x bell albino

they will lay more. Jack the murphys likes to keep busy. I take him out of the tank a few days after breeding so he doesnt tire out the girls

 

[DiabloGecko]

Ive been advivially reading that book by Tremper and now Im stumped
Good thing I signed up for Biology in college :lol:
Now how do I know whats dominant or recessive. As Tremper listed single recessive traits, ie: the three albinos, the patternless, blizzard, and so on.

When I try to figure out the punnet square, again, whos dominant or recessive?

One more question for clarification. If I breed a tremper albino to a Redeyed Albino Patternless Tremper ORange..... would it only produce more tremper albinos or normals.

Thanks am just trying to figure out my little breeding plan and housing arrangements as I do plan on keep the majority of the hatchlings (if they do make it):biggrin:
oh boy, now people are gonna throw a fit and say Im nuts.
and they already think Im nuts for getting that huge gecko tattoo on my arm :coverlaugh:

 

[Allee Toler]

Tremper x RAPTOR =100% Tremper het RAPTOR.

 

[DiabloGecko]

But how do I know whats dominant or recessive with single recessive, this is what the book lists:

Monogenetic recessive traits....Both parents must carry the desired genotype and the trait is only expressed when the recessive alleles for the trait combine in the homozygous condition.
The known single recessive traits are:
*Tremper
*Bell
*Rainwater
Murphys
Blizzard
Eclipse
RAPTOR
*when crossed, will produce normal hets

Now they are all recessive. I know the three albinos do not combine well.
Now if I cross recessive to recessive, do I get babies with the combined recessive traits in the homozygous condition, or one trait homo. and het for another, or normal hets.

Please read my post throughly and see my questions because I really would like to know and dont know who to ask.
Thank you

 

[Allee Toler]

eclipse x eclipse = all eclipse. Both are recessive.
Tremper Eclipse x eclipse = eclipses het tremper.
Snow (complete dominant gene) x Eclipse = 50% normal het eclipse & 50% snow het eclipse

I've never used a punnet square. It confuses me WAY too much.

If you have two recessives... hm.. let's do blizzard and rainwater from your list.

Blizzard RW x Blizzard RW = Blizzard RW

I'm sorry, I'm trying to understand your question. But I don't think I'm getting it enough... I keep rereading your posts.

Play around with this site...
Reptile Genetics Calculator
And read these:
Leopard Gecko Genetics - A Discussion of Particular Leopard Gecko Morphs
The Learning Center - Genetics 101

I read through all of them to the point that I can understand. I hope I was somewhat helpful... sorry if I wasn't. Lol!

 

[DiabloGecko]

lol thank you sooo much
Im also trying to figure out what in the heck i can breed my rainwater to without getting normal hets...
I will check out those links after class tonight
youre awesome
and sorry if i was confusing in questioning genetics. Its a tricky subject if you dont know the background of the animals.
Gotta go!
Thanks again
:scratchhead:;-)

 

[Allee Toler]

The only thing you can breed to get absolutely no normals is either a super snow, or another rainwater.

super snow x rainwater = all mack snows het RW. if you breed the babies back together the following year you'll get...
snow het rw x snow het rw=
6.25% Normal
12.5% Normal HET Rainwater Albino
6.25% Rainwater Albino
12.5% Mack Snow
25% Mack Snow HET Rainwater Albino
12.5% Mack Snow Rainwater Albino
6.25% Mack Super Snow
12.5% Mack Super Snow HET Rainwater Albino
6.25% Mack Super Snow Rainwater Albino

If you don't mind getting some normals, try a snow, or a het rainwater. Or a really bright tangerine for tangerines/normals.

 

[DiabloGecko]

wow what a trip!
this is why im so into geckos, their genetics are so fascinating. Nothing like mammal genes. Definately a challenage.
That rainwater is a beauty but hard to breed straight without another rainwater. I just love her coloration and wanted to add orange tails ;-)
thought that would be cool
was thinking about breeding raptor to tangerine to brighten up the tails, of course id have to breed siblings back together. hmm wish it didnt take so long to incubate! Im too excited and impatient :biggrin:
just got a 55 gallon to put my females in. thought it would look pretty. am putting the boys and babies in bins.
if i incubate an egg at 85*F and it was laid last week of Feb. I should expect it to hatch early may?
Oh before I forget. My hi yellow laid big fat eggs and my RW laid soft small eggs (which plumped up but still small and soft)
is this okay?
how can I incubate one set male and the other female on a single thermosat? (im so freaking broke)
I have the eggs in a tupperware sitting on vermociulite (will switch to perolite when i run out or get some cash) I have a thermomter gauge (just like urs with the yellow reader thingie) I use heat pads under the tupperware and for the females i put them in another bigger tupperware and put the pad under that to make it a bit cooler.
But do you have any suggestions or tips on incubating setup
Ima pick ur brain! :lol:
Thanks again

 

[Allee Toler]

What day in Feb? At that temp going past 50 days isn't good. Lol. I hatched my female at 50 days in 87F. Kept her in 81F for 30, and 20 in 87. As for the eggs, each female lays different sized eggs. I had a baby hatch from a tiny egg recently, and now I have an egg twice as big as the one my recent baby hatched from due in two or so weeks.

UTH's won't work for the eggs. You can't get an accurate reading. Take a foam cooler and line the sides with 2 UTH's. One on each side. Plug them in to the thermostat and aim for 81F for females, 88-89 for males, or 85 for a mix. I would rather advise getting an incubator, though. They have a better hatch rate. I use a Repti-Pro. I have it set to 91F, the top shelf reads 88F the bottom is 81F. So I can incubate for both male and female. The reason using a UTH under the container doesn't work so well is it's hotter underneath the vermiculite, and the higher you go in the container the cooler it gets.

Vermiculite is fine for incubating. so is Perlite. I use vermiculite.

If you have many more questions I'm on Yahoo frequently. atozgeckos@yahoo.com